azuire: (professor of cunning.)
azuire ([personal profile] azuire) wrote in [community profile] inkstains2011-01-21 09:37 am

tnt: och aye!

One last kudos to [personal profile] elf for sweeping contest 18! And contest 19 is open for your submissions :D




In the bookstores here, they have a special section for 'Scottish Fiction', i.e. books written by Scottish writers. And sometimes, these books -- or parts of them, at least -- are in vernacular.

And occasionally you come across people attempting to read it.

Out loud.

People who are not Scottish.

This is a tremendous source of amusement for me, if you can't already tell.

Either way, the use of vernacular in these books serves a concrete purpose, though several writers tell us not to use phonetic spellings for dialogue or narration, (I think the majority of those people were mortified by how JKR wrote Hagrid's dialogue). However, I can't imagine Trainspotting without the vernacular. It would be a completely different book.

What do you think of the use of vernacular? Should it be more prevalent? When can it be used effectively? And why won't [personal profile] azuire stop laughing at that Dubliner who's trying to read Glaswegian beat poetry?

[personal profile] ex_pippin880 2011-01-21 10:09 am (UTC)(link)
100% depends on the skill of the writer.

[personal profile] ex_pippin880 2011-01-21 04:36 pm (UTC)(link)
0% complaining from me.
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[personal profile] pipisafoat 2011-01-21 04:03 pm (UTC)(link)
this is making me think of leigha's sneak-attack gullah article
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[personal profile] silverflight8 2011-01-21 07:26 pm (UTC)(link)
As long as it's not a find and replace (the worst I ever saw was just putting "dinnae" and "ken" in, and nothing else *shudder*) and the syntax and sentence structure are modified in addition to any extra letters/spelling/random apostrophes, I'm fine.

And also thank you to whoever changed the layout. I can actually read the comments I'm making now! :D :D
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[personal profile] pipisafoat 2011-01-21 07:36 pm (UTC)(link)
oh. oh dear. oh dear. I'm just going to pretend I never even heard about that.

Ah! You're quite welcome, though I admit it was purely selfish of me while I wait for dw to finish up the new update page omg for better access to links from subject line. I had no idea it was causing comment issues. You should have said something! Promise me you'll say something if something else is wonk?

huh my icons look funny when i select them. the list. all lines and stuff. *baffles slightly*
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[personal profile] silverflight8 2011-01-21 07:40 pm (UTC)(link)
LALALALA it's the horror stories of that. Also Wuthering Heights, your dialect was okay but for this reader it was almost completely unreadable.

I am excited for the new update page, but I imagine you're even more ;) It's just - new things! shiny needed things! :D :D

I think I left a comment at some point but I guess no one saw it, oops! :D Thanks, though.

Yeah, I think that's part of the layout...sadly, I don't know s2 or CSS well enough to suggest a fix.
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[personal profile] pipisafoat 2011-01-21 07:47 pm (UTC)(link)
oh I totally do know enough css to do things. just this is the first time I've noticed it. and since I'm going to be busyish this weekend, I probably won't fix it soon, and then I won't remember until suddenly one day "huh, will you look at how weird that is"
(i also keep meaning to get rid of the weird orange of links but, again, i forget so much.)

OMG YES. scheduled updates! saving multiple drafts! all the little boxes! awesomeness! pretty! customizable! SCHEDULED UPDATES do you have any idea how much easier that will make reminder posts?
(in the meantime i continue to flail excitedly about the random icon button. i try to use it on lj and then get really, really disappointed.)

also I am a crazy person and track the entire community; all new entries & every comment on every entry comes automatically to my mail. so I should have seen it. maybe I somehow overlooked it or maybe, idk. ANYWAY I hereby grant you permission to annoy me until I do things in the future. (It's the only way to get things done around here.)
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[personal profile] silverflight8 2011-01-21 07:55 pm (UTC)(link)
Oh pestilence I forgot to close the del tag. *facepalm* And did it again! I am such a blockhead.

I like DW's customization system - you can change colours without needing knowledge of CSS! (designing colour schemes also made me waste about two or three hours XD)

Yeah, exactly. It's really the admins of comms that'll really benefit - scheduled posts. (What also would be really cool is the polls that close at x hour - I'm pretty sure that it's been suggested, so...) You have so many interesting icons, omg. *flails*

You track...the whole community? The whole thing? But- but - your inbox! HOW DO YOU COPE.

*annoys pip*

(deleted and reposted because of HTML fail #2)
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[personal profile] pipisafoat 2011-01-21 08:05 pm (UTC)(link)
UM ACTUALLY I TOTALLY SUGGESTED THAT, I SUGGESTED THAT TO THE OFFICIAL DW SUGGESTIONS COMM, I DID IT IT WAS ME! :D

also I totally thought you did it on purpose this time hahaha.

I, um, well. what with having been a stay-at-home zombie for the past essentially year. it has been easy. (but i potentially start having a job next week so idk what's going to happen.) anyway this comm is the least of my tracking worries. I don't track the Flame entire but I do end up tracking a bunch of posts, and all the posts on the mod forum, and most of the posts on my other lj comm (and we can be a chatty bunch sometimes omg) and and and some personal posts from various people and, yes, it's a little ridiculous. i

wandered away to put my sheets in the dryer and forgot what i was saying. and hey, stop distracting me, i'm trying to write up a srs chatter post for the flame!
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[personal profile] silverflight8 2011-01-21 08:12 pm (UTC)(link)
*dances with pip*

Job! Scary! *no other comment to add*

I had lunch. It was very tasty. I like the random i hanging in there, but it looks kind of lonely.

make a silly chatter for the flame! :D *tempts you with comment*
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[personal profile] pipisafoat 2011-01-21 08:17 pm (UTC)(link)
nuuuu we're going srs. I nearly always do ridiculous/funny.
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[personal profile] pipisafoat 2011-01-21 07:37 pm (UTC)(link)
PS: for the last question, I submit that the answer is "because [personal profile] azuire is more awesome than that Dubliner and knows it"
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[personal profile] pipisafoat 2011-01-21 07:42 pm (UTC)(link)
:D I use it so so so much. What does that say about me? (That I really like bagels and bullet rooms?)
(don't mind me and my tv references. i promise i don't expect people to know what i'm talking about)
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[personal profile] silverflight8 2011-01-21 07:53 pm (UTC)(link)
IDK you have a good sense of snark! I mean, humour!

also I have no idea what you're referencing (and prolly wouldn't know the source if I googled - perhaps I should Google if I keep writing this comment - decisions, decisions) but here, have my _support icon. ;)
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[personal profile] pipisafoat 2011-01-21 07:55 pm (UTC)(link)
it is my show In Plain Sight that I love. (mary buys a house with three bedrooms. one is her bedroom, one is her office, and the other could be for anything. she could fill it up with cornflakes if she wanted to! a whole room of cornflakes! "I don't think this neighborhood is zoned for cornflakes" marshall tells her. somehow they decide it is her bullet room. then her mother comes and moves in with her and marshall says, with a piece of a bagel in his hand, "at least you still have your bullet room!")
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[personal profile] silverflight8 2011-01-21 08:38 pm (UTC)(link)
Awwww *melts from cute*. Why can't a housing area be zoned for cornflakes? (or better yet, something more colourful, like Froot Loops ;))
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[personal profile] silverflight8 2011-01-21 08:39 pm (UTC)(link)
And why won't [personal profile] azuire stop laughing at that Dubliner who's trying to read Glaswegian beat poetry?

AHAHAHA IDK how I missed this. That must've been a bit incongruous.
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[personal profile] silverflight8 2011-01-21 08:43 pm (UTC)(link)
*employs capslock* AZUIRE I GOT YOUR LETTER *runs away to make post but had to just say it here*

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[personal profile] silverflight8 2011-01-21 09:48 pm (UTC)(link)
*gasp* srry was trying to muddle through homework. I think I have an intrinsic flaw in how I'm solving this problem D: But I'm typing it up now! :D
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[personal profile] silverflight8 2011-01-21 09:51 pm (UTC)(link)
It's all stupid questions. I like physics, really, but the questions - really?

But it's up! :D
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[personal profile] solumin 2011-01-22 07:44 pm (UTC)(link)
Oh hey look I'm actually here for once! :D Maybe I will actually submit something someday -_-'

Vernacular, I think, can add something to the story. Currently I'm reading "Their Eyes Were Watching God" by Zora Neale Hurston for one of my classes. The dialogue is entirely in vernacular. It's much more realistic than, say, if the characters (all of whom are poor black southerners) were walking around saying, "Would you like to get a drink with me?" would ring very false. The dialogue in a story is another part of the setting; like a spaceship in a western, everyone will notice if it doesn't fit.

As pippin said, the use of vernacular should depend on the skill of the writer. If the vernacular dialogue comes across as stilted, then it's detracting and distracting. Hurston pulls it off quite well and it helps pull the reader into the story.

As to the last question, I'd imagine that watching someone mangle an accent while reading poetry is hilarious.